RenegadeMonk wrote:Your confused because you have too many incorrect preconceived notions about martial arts. That's not a criticism, just true of most people.
I would be the first one to admit that.
MMA is not self defence. A real fight between two trained people is not the same as a ring fight. Ever see pro boxers break into a scuffle before a fight? It's never the same as when they are in the ring. Real fighting is adrenaline fuelled and emotionally charged and completely rule free. Mma still has rules. Including grappling for self defence is a totally different animal from learning bjj for the ring: In self defence the ground is where the opponent should be, for you it could mean death. Also self defence is not about squaring off with people, that kind of thing is for kids.
I hear this argument a lot that SD is very different from an mma fight or sparring and that people fight dirty and that your life is in danger etc etc.
I don't quite agree with this premise. I agree that there are not rules and that you absolutely can get into a dirty fight against one person with weapons or multiple attackers . BUT the majority of fights between two males are not like that. I belive that when two adult men figh, over the usual such as , parking spots, power, women or whatever it is they fight fairly. Most people don't try to stab you or to kill or mame you , or to fishhook you. Men usually swing at each other , wrestle and might devlier one more punch when the other guy is on the ground. I believe that represents 80% of the scenarios. The situations you speak of will not protect someone using any form of SD or scenario training.
Self defence is about responding to real world situations, that includes legal ramifications to fighting, avoiding conflict and de-escalating situations, coping with stress responses, using and being aware of weapons, avoiding the ground, finding avenues of escape especially when facing multiple opponents and the list goes on. None of this has anything to do with ring craft, tournament sparring or cage matches.
I partially agree with this point, but I fail to see how training a scenario with a cooperating partner is better suited to help you in that situation vs doing full contact sparring against a resisting opponent.
I personally am not saying that karate is ineffective. Training is what counts, not the art. Even within traditionalist dojo there are schools that train in an effective way using the modern shotokan style to fight with a realistic level of contact.
And that the kind of school I am after.
You sound like you are actually more interested in dueling than actual self defence, i.e squaring off and fighting in a match. Any art will work for that, but mma schools are the safest bet.
Not true. I am only interested in realistic dueling because I find it the closest thing you can find to self defense then any other form.
Why do Shotokan? Because it's a great art and you enjoy the training. Because shotokan will give you great technique, which if you are not in a hurry, will shape everything else you practice and make you that much better as a martial artist. Because you will learn great balance and stability and hopefully how to use your whole body to power your movements. Because striving for correct technique is a challenge to the self, because studying the art challenges the mind and encourages learning that goes beyond the little box of your school. Because there are other benefits to martial arts outside of fighting skill. Most people I've encountered with mma backgrounds have told me that the best fighters they know have traditional ma backgrounds.
I fully agree. I am not a proponent of mma myself. The thing is shotokan intrigues me. I have said it before, I find it poetic and a true aestatic art. When I see Machida knock out most typical mma meatheads with such beatiful movement, being the least hit fighter in the ufc, it gives me hope that it is a good art.
Hope you understand that these are buyers questions.