How do you "Treat" Dojo vs Competition vs Grading

[shotokan101]

Steve - enemy doesn't enter into it here - I'm simply trying to elicit information from sources who may well be better informed on the suject matter than myself - same as most folk who post questions on forums such as this.

After a certain point it - IMO - ceases to be useful to adopt the approach of "the answer is out there go look for it" if at least certain aspects or guidelines can be provided "up front".

I thought it might be a good idea to try and capitalise on the experience of others - obviously you'd rather I reiinvent the wheel

So call me lazy but I'll just sit and wait for someone who's prepared to voice an opinion on the question I asked that may save me some effort.

Jim

[fujicolt]

Jim

take a chill pill yer numpty

I cannot give legal advice! or i would expose myself to all kindsa probs but cos i have 'researched' that I know it to be so - hint hint Law is complicated

go research and

you are being less than up front cos i have 'off line' asked you, for example. for computer advice and you have been brilliant and said - in essence - 'Steve go here and you'll get answers to your prob' and you have always got it right! i am merely suggesting the same

[shotokan101]

Difference being Steve that I give you the links which provide the information - and only when I cannot deliver the same information as concisely myself or simply to save me the effort of retyping the same info.

I don't simply say "The Big Book Of Windows XP has this info. in it - have a good read"

Jim

[fujicolt]

OK you argumenative for argumentative sake person (read several possibilities there - Go

ASK JEEVES

tis simple type ASK

or ask Jeeves into your search engine then pose a question

YOU SAD AWKWARD... OOPS SORRY I MEANT

JIm

hope that helps

STeve

[shotokan101]

Tried it Steve - not much help

Ask Jeeves

Odd...

Jim

[bob63]

please be aware this is not my field of expertise but from my understanding H+S legislation applies to the working enviroment. This raises the question if you are running a club as a business does this then apply?
If you set yourself up as an instructor on any basis and assume a "duty of care" to your students then as stated if you are criminally negligent in that duty i.e. recognise a risk and go on to ignore it you can become liaible.
the huge caveat to the above is that English law is written by solicitors for solicitors and add case law on top it becomes a minefield hence my initial reluctance to dip a toe in.

[shotokan101]

Sheesh - that's the end of Kyokushinkai then eh ?

[bob63]

Kyokushinkai advertises itself as full contact so students almost "sign away" any come back on the instructor.
Same as UFC/boxing/kickboxing they all work on the basis that someone is going to get hurt and fall over, but they to have rules about equipment and strikes
If you advertise your style as "light contact" and run a dojo as a commercial enterprise and someone gets hurt through your negligence you might spend some quality time with the legal profession.
it is a sad reflection on todays nanny state/ litigatious society that we are having this conversation.
Luckily most people who get injured in the dojo take it as part of the territory, but with the rise of MMA and clubs teaching it , I think it's only a question of time before we see a high profile civil/criminal prosecution and any precedent set will effect all us amateur enthusiasts as the insurance companies re-assess the risks. it's a minefield waiting for the wrong student and solicitor to wander in

[shotokan101]

Indeed it is sad and God Forbit we end up with as much Litigation as the TV would have us eis rampant in the USA (although it seems that we are heading that way) - but in Scotland at leas I believe that despite what you signb you cannot sign away your Legal rights.

But I was (obviously) joking about the Kyokushinkai

Jim

[bob63]

I had spotted the humour
I do worry about the anti contact sports brigade and insurance companies forcing us almost "underground" if we don't wish to practice in full body armour and helmets twelve foot apart
maybe we could invent the virtual computerised 3d opponent free from risk and getting blood on your gi, karate for the Wii generation of sports fans

[shotokan101]

...now there's a thought Bob - a Wii controller that can measure your Kime !

[kensei]

Okay, so...two things... one: Jim and steve could benefit from some relationship council! Or at least choose to sit in "different rooms" for a while...For Gods sake (note did not mention which God...andother argument I think) Jim has to realize that as full of info as Steve is...he is a pain in the ass...and Steve needs to realize that as nice a guy as Jim is...he is a pain in the ass...to Steve!!

Now I took Steves suggest and asked Jeeves...this what I got...and it is funny as hell!

Ten scientific principles that apply to the study of all martial arts

•The wimp who made it through the eliminations on luck alone will suddenly turn into Bruce Lee when you're up against him

•The referee will always be looking the other way when you score

•You will have trouble with the ties on your gi pants when members of the opposite s** are in class

•The day you leave work early to make it to class on time, the sensei will be sick

•The sensei will only use you during demonstrations for joint-locking techniques

•If you have to use your training in self-defense, your attacker's father will be a lawyer

•After a flawless demonstration, you will trip on your way back to your seat

•After years of training without a single injury, you will pull a groin muscle the night before your black belt exam

•In an otherwise vacant locker room, the only other person will have the locker right next to yours

•No matter how many times you take care of it before your promotion exam, you will invariably have to go to the bathroom when it's your turn

•If you are sick and come to class anyway, you will end up coughing like youa re about to die at least once.

•The better you know someone, the more likely you are to get hurt by them/hurt them.

•When you are wearing the most embarrassing outfit ever, your instructor will see you.

•If you have a crush on someone of the opposite gender in your class, you will injure them.

•If you are a girl, and your hair is in a ponytail, you are very likely to have your hair pulled/yanked/in your face anyway.

•If you are having cramps that day, you will be sparring.

[shotokan101]

Okay, so...two things... one: Jim and steve could benefit from some relationship council! Or at least choose to sit in "different rooms" for a while...For Gods sake (note did not mention which God...andother argument I think) Jim has to realize that as full of info as Steve is...he is a pain in the ass... and Steve needs to realize that as nice a guy as Jim is...he is a pain in the ass...to Steve!!

Now I took Steves suggest and asked Jeeves...this what I got...and it is funny as hell!

Thanks for enlightening me James

P.S. - sure it was "this" topic that you meant to this in ?

[Lyndon_Davies]

•After years of training without a single injury, you will pull a groin muscle the night before your black belt exam

•No matter how many times you take care of it before your promotion exam, you will invariably have to go to the bathroom when it's your turn

•The better you know someone, the more likely you are to get hurt by them/hurt them.

Have to admit that these three really did it for me.... I've managed to damage things in training before most of my gradings..... on the other side, my wife gave me a black eye when I was sparring with her to warm her up for her third dan grading
and I put two stitches in the eyebrow of one of my students the day before his fourth dan grading

Of all the major injuries I've sustained, I can honestly say they're either been self inflicted (muscle pulls, breaks) or by friends or squad members... (usually while competing against them)
If I could only have fought people I didn't know I'd have been relatively injury free.

[kensei]

I still remember trying to get a girl ready for her purple belt test. Kind of had a crush on her and the night before she was working on Kumite with me, kicked me in the knee and broke her big toe. Yah, was not my fault but it still sucked....that and I never did get a date from her.