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[Andy]

I still don't understand what knowing peoples names/positions has to do with intelligent debate?

You present a flawed opinion - it gets corrected and we all learn something. Isn't that the point of these forums? Or am I missing something.

What level justifies having 'enough' knowledge? 1st Dan? 4th Dan? 10th Dan? Gran Master in Origami?

Personally I think NOT knowing peoples position would encourage more debate...rather than being scared of questioning.

[Helspeth]

I am a complete numpty (in fujicolts words) but i am not scared to post anything on this forum. I have learned so much from you guys, and I hope to keep doing so. Helspeth is not my real name but even if I gave you my real name you wouldn't know who I am as I am not famous in the karate world. I don't know any of you and I've never bothered whether you use a real name or a username, it doesn't affect the good advice you have all given me.

[garrywatters]

My point exactly Helspeth, as long as the advice is good and practicable who cares who gave it. Somewhere along the line someone knows something that you don't, they either pass it on or keep it for themselves.


OSS!

Garry

[Andy]

Maybe it's a paranoia thing...ooooh

[Duncan Idaho]

Funny one Andy. Paranoid of what??? Getting proven wrong by some one who just started karate??? Getting proven wrong by some one senior, and looking bad infront of some one you know??

If that is the case, better not to post here at all.

[administrator]

I think from this point on, we will have no more bickering on the site.

Further posts that do not discuss Shotokan Karate, will be deleted.

This site was set up by Emma and I to promote Shotokan Karate, not as an environment for bickering.

Please remember why we are all here.

Thank you,

Shaun and Emma

[garrywatters]

I agree shaun and have pointed this out in another post.
If I wanted to bicker and infight with someone I would take it elsewhere.
I am here to part with what limited knowledge I have and to hopefully pick up info I can use.
Thanks again for setting up this forum.

OSS!

Garry

[Duncan Idaho]

Fine by me. I will comply.

[shingitai]

What if I trained with someone by chance and found him to be intelligent and a great instructor. What if he knew what he was talking about and I agreed with most of it. What if he could wipe the floor with me in kumite. And then what if i found out he was a lesser rank than me or possibly even a kyu grade? Do I then dismiss everything that 5 minutes ago I found fantastic?

So what difference does a name make as long as I find the words and thoughts valid. For any posts here you agreed with, if you found out the author was a 12 year old 5th kyu would you then change your opinion?

[Andy]

Funny one Andy. Paranoid of what??? Getting proven wrong by some one who just started karate??? Getting proven wrong by some one senior, and looking bad infront of some one you know??

If that is the case, better not to post here at all.

I wasn't saying you were paranoid?

Don't start on me

[200374]

sorry - it is late and am getting tired but you kinda lost me there - researched what?

Steve, it's a simple troll - these guys get off on it.

PS. My name is Ged Moran

[fujicolt]

I still don't understand what knowing peoples names/positions has to do with intelligent debate?

You present a flawed opinion - it gets corrected and we all learn something. Isn't that the point of these forums? Or am I missing something.

What level justifies having 'enough' knowledge? 1st Dan? 4th Dan? 10th Dan? Gran Master in Origami?

Personally I think NOT knowing peoples position would encourage more debate...rather than being scared of questioning.

I would suggest that it would be a lack of intelligence to knowingly deeply debate a subject (of a very complex nature as karate is) with an individual who was unwilling to let you know who they are - unwilling to let you know the level of their involvement in the core subject - unwilling to give you legitimate and fair opportunity to test their points - unwilling to simply be open and honest about it all

I DO NOT question that novices often have great insight and things to offer occasionally but 'occasionally' is the operative word in most situations.

these forums could be fantastic for Karate and no one believes that more than i - but they will fail if the stuff posted isn't open to honest clear transparent scrutiny

those who follow us will evaluate the basis upon which we started all of this. Shaun and Emma have done an inspiring thing - tragic if it fell cos people just thought - 'a load of unknowns debating nothing that could be evaluated!'

[Andy]

I would suggest that it would be a lack of intelligence to knowingly deeply debate a subject (of a very complex nature as karate is) with an individual who was unwilling to let you know who they are - unwilling to let you know the level of their involvement in the core subject - unwilling to give you legitimate and fair opportunity to test their points - unwilling to simply be open and honest about it all

I DO NOT question that novices often have great insight and things to offer occasionally but 'occasionally' is the operative word in most situations.

these forums could be fantastic for Karate and no one believes that more than i - but they will fail if the stuff posted isn't open to honest clear transparent scrutiny

those who follow us will evaluate the basis upon which we started all of this. Shaun and Emma have done an inspiring thing - tragic if it fell cos people just thought - 'a load of unknowns debating nothing that could be evaluated!'

Why do you find it necessary to know someone's name just to be able to evaluate and/or test someone's knowledge?

A name is a name...anyone could claim to be someone else. This is the internet, a worldwide faceless forum for people to come voice and debate opinions, not knowing someones name or credentials doesn't prevent intelligent debate.

Why 'should' anyone tell you their name because you find it hard to test their points? I don't understand why it's so important to you?

I've told you my name and grade...yet I could still be sat here a 10th Kyu, telling you I'm a Shodan. Just by someone divulging personal information doesn't make them credible.

[Paul Herbert]

In my opinion a good point is a good point whoever makes it and it certainly doesn't have to made by a 'name' or grade that I respect. In my own dojo it is sometimes the white belts that ask a question or comment on something that gets me thinking the most - as they've seen something through different eye's to the higher grades. So from that point of view, the username of a poster on a forum is quite irrelevant.

However, what I do have a problem with, as an adult, is the fact I don't like having to refer to someone as 'The Death Warrior' or 'Sensei Suck Ma Balls' for example when replying to a post that interests me. I do like to have a name or just an initial and surname in the signature box as a point of reference. That's just my view on the topic.

[Andy]

In my opinion a good point is a good point whoever makes it and it certainly doesn't have to made by a 'name' or grade that I respect. In my own dojo it is sometimes the white belts that ask a question or comment on something that gets me thinking the most - as they've seen something through different eye's to the higher grades. So from that point of view, the username of a poster on a forum is quite irrelevant.

However, what I do have a problem with, as an adult, is the fact I don't like having to refer to someone as 'The Death Warrior' or 'Sensei Suck Ma Balls' for example when replying to a post that interests me. I do like to have a name or just an initial and surname in the signature box as a point of reference. That's just my view on the topic.

Agreed!

I don't know whether it boils down to a 'your a 1st Kyu and I'm a 3rd Dan so your opinion is irrelevant' argument but it would only take a quick exchange of PM's to find out someone's name. A lot of people prefer to remain anonymous when posting, and I respect that choice.