New Vote Regarding Names - VERY IMPORTANT

[fujicolt]

As it was ME that kinda started this point -

i have been involved in karate for 4 decades - it has brought immense positives to my life and i have seen incredible changes in the aproach to karate in that period.

Technology has developed and we are now in a situation were we can talk to people all over the world about karate and what we get from it etc

however - i fear that some who are knew to karate or have not had the marvellous opportunities that i have had - to train with some of the best in the world - may take advice on these forums as being VALID when it actually isn't and may come from 'juniors' (age or experience) and that could actually be dangerous.

I also KNOW that many senior karateka with a wealth of experience - often in excess of mine - do not post on forums cos thay do not wish to debate with anonymous people or do not wish to debate with theorists!

I have noticed a little 'Senior peole who think they know it all' attitude creeping in so

Firstly - we do not know it all BUT we may (and often do) know more than those who are currently at the stage we went through 2 or more decades ago.

AND

if we are still here does that not suggest that not only do we LOVE karate but may have stuck with it through thick and thin and thus may have valid points to make.

MY name is Steve Hyland - anything i post i will either have to validate or acknowledge further info has proved me wrong - i am comfortable with that - why aren't others?

Names please - so at least i can know who i am developing a friendship with (and that is not a little side comment - i mean it!)

I do not come here looking for enemies - i look for fellow karateka - who may help me and i may help them - if i can be confident in who you are - I do not really care about your age or experience - we can learn from each other - BUT - if you remain anonymous i'll constantly be suspicious and have doubts about anything you say or claim

[George]

The names being posted as mandatory act is paramount to the integrity of the forum.

I have seen it on other forums where individuals have made derogatory and even libellous remarks, then they scurry away behind their wall. This is a Shotokan karate forum, surely it is important to see your ‘opponent’ in certain debates. Without names, it is like kumite blindfolded…….as for the urine sample, well we all talk p… sometimes, but this really is an important issue and, in my opinion, will ensure that the forum itself does not fall into disrepute.

To mirror Steve's remarks, it also leads to a far more transparent atmosphere from which we can build, hopefully, friendly relationships with others of the same ilk.

Just my tuppence worth

Kindest regards

[chris valentine]

Names for me. Nothing to hide especially my opinion.

[Guest]

No to names and to being pushed around by others !

[fujicolt]

Ronin

Why is asking for your name - 'pushing you around' - that is not the intent here.

And to be honest - i would sooner be challenged by someone i can identify - in any situation - than by a stranger.

to put it simply - if a friend gets really aggresive i can evaluate with knowledge of him or her in mind - if an unkown stranger gets aggressive - i have to 'fight back!

If a known individual gives me advice - i can evealute it with knowledge of who they are and what thier life experiences etc have been - If a stranger who is reluctant to be known gives me advice i have to evaluate it as being 'with no depth and potentially wrong' - and i may be wrong in my evaluation but can only evaluate the info i have.

Why remain strangers when we could become friends? It doesn't mean we have got to agree - NO! but it may help us to agree to disagree agreeably

[kensei]

Ronin

Why is asking for your name - 'pushing you around' - that is not the intent here.

And to be honest - i would sooner be challenged by someone i can identify - in any situation - than by a stranger.

to put it simply - if a friend gets really aggresive i can evaluate with knowledge of him or her in mind - if an unkown stranger gets aggressive - i have to 'fight back!

If a known individual gives me advice - i can evealute it with knowledge of who they are and what thier life experiences etc have been - If a stranger who is reluctant to be known gives me advice i have to evaluate it as being 'with no depth and potentially wrong' - and i may be wrong in my evaluation but can only evaluate the info i have.

Why remain strangers when we could become friends? It doesn't mean we have got to agree - NO! but it may help us to agree to disagree agreeably

I dont see why we can not put our names down, I have nothing to hide and I am not a troll...well I may look like one in the morning, but I am not one I assure you.

Now, my name may cause a stir or at least a snicker or two, my parrents were a bit south of cruel.


My name is James James DR. and I am not kidding. oh, and to boot, I am James James JR. So the next time I tick anyone off, You can swear at your computer and make fun of my name...Trust me after near four decades of being made fun of I am very used to it and I have seen it all!

Your J.James

[fujicolt]

Ronin

Why is asking for your name - 'pushing you around' - that is not the intent here.

And to be honest - i would sooner be challenged by someone i can identify - in any situation - than by a stranger.

to put it simply - if a friend gets really aggresive i can evaluate with knowledge of him or her in mind - if an unkown stranger gets aggressive - i have to 'fight back!

If a known individual gives me advice - i can evealute it with knowledge of who they are and what thier life experiences etc have been - If a stranger who is reluctant to be known gives me advice i have to evaluate it as being 'with no depth and potentially wrong' - and i may be wrong in my evaluation but can only evaluate the info i have.

Why remain strangers when we could become friends? It doesn't mean we have got to agree - NO! but it may help us to agree to disagree agreeably

I dont see why we can not put our names down, I have nothing to hide and I am not a troll...well I may look like one in the morning, but I am not one I assure you.

Now, my name may cause a stir or at least a snicker or two, my parrents were a bit south of cruel.


My name is James James DR. and I am not kidding. oh, and to boot, I am James James JR. So the next time I tick anyone off, You can swear at your computer and make fun of my name...Trust me after near four decades of being made fun of I am very used to it and I have seen it all!

Your J.James

This is a beautiful example of my point - does this guy not make you at least want to explore 'trusting him' due to his honesty - I do!!!

And James - don't worry there was a guy in the Liverpool telephone directory whose parents were either thick or very cruel - they named him Frank - his surname was 'Arts' so he was listed as 'Farts'

he went on TV to complain he kept getting calls about the 'wind' reports and various other things NOT to be posted here

'A boy named Sue' springs to mind

'I aint got no money - but i got lotsa Cash' - John Corbett

[kensei]

This is a beautiful example of my point - does this guy not make you at least want to explore 'trusting him' due to his honesty - I do!!!

And James - don't worry there was a guy in the Liverpool telephone directory whose parents were either thick or very cruel - they named him Frank - his surname was 'Arts' so he was listed as 'Farts'

he went on TV to complain he kept getting calls about the 'wind' reports and various other things NOT to be posted here

How rich! that is funny. Thank you for that laugh!

[garrywatters]

Here's another name that I just couldn't believe "Hilary Swank", if said rather fast it becomes rather rude. I know it's probably only her stage name but my god who come up with that.
Another one was when I was working at a food production company in the QC and testing lab. We had produced 3 new flavours for some chipolata sausages and were trying to think of a catchy name for the marketing group. The name of the firm was called Beni, so some bright spark thought of "Beni's Snackers". When the rest of us had stopped laughing he actually asked what the joke was and went bright red when it was explained to him.

Oss!

Garry

[Andy]

And to be honest - i would sooner be challenged by someone i can identify - in any situation - than by a stranger.

This is an internet forum though, if you had my name would that make me any less of a stranger? I've never met you in the flesh, but I know your name...you're still a stranger though.

I can see your point in some respect but from others it's still a mystery for me.

[kensei]

And to be honest - i would sooner be challenged by someone i can identify - in any situation - than by a stranger.

This is an internet forum though, if you had my name would that make me any less of a stranger? I've never met you in the flesh, but I know your name...you're still a stranger though.

I can see your point in some respect but from others it's still a mystery for me.

I think it could be seen as one more guard against trolls! I mean would someone be more likely to troll about if they knew they had to be a bit more truethful about who they were...that and I find it rather nice to call people Steve over Fujicolt. It is more personal.

[Andy]

So imagine you're a troll....

The rules state you have to disclose your name, so you put a fake name up and troll away. It's not going to stop people trolling...but it's ok cos we know their (possibly fake) name and they are no longer a stranger!

I still don't see how providing names will make any difference to the quality of posts, other than being able to refer to someone by their birth name. Saying that if you wanted that wouldn't you register an account with your name in it?

[kensei]

So imagine you're a troll....

The rules state you have to disclose your name, so you put a fake name up and troll away. It's not going to stop people trolling...but it's ok cos we know their (possibly fake) name and they are no longer a stranger!

I still don't see how providing names will make any difference to the quality of posts, other than being able to refer to someone by their birth name. Saying that if you wanted that wouldn't you register an account with your name in it?

I never said it would stop them completely, but some of the trolls wont join simply because of the rules, it has been shown on other sites to be a fair deterent.

[Shaun]

Only a couple more hours to go now until the vote ends.

Any outstanding votes, get them in by 10pm tonight so we can announce the outcome.

All the best and thank you for your time,

Shaun and Emma

[Andy]

I never said it would stop them completely, but some of the trolls wont join simply because of the rules, it has been shown on other sites to be a fair deterent.

Trolls are trolls for a reason! A few rules won't stop them...