**NEW SCIENTIFIC STUDY SECTION** - YOUR HELP NEEDED

[EmmaRobins]

We are in the process of creating a ‘Scientific Study Section’ on the Main Site dealing with several areas, but one very important part of this section will be the work in process project between The Shotokan Way and Brian Adams, author of the popular book ‘Deadly Karate Blows – The Medical Implications’.

The book deals with the medical outcomes that effectively delivered techniques can have on an opponent. We were very impressed with the concept behind the book and wanted to enlist the expertise of Adams into The Shotokan Way, using the concept as the impetus for the ‘Medical Section’ of the site.

Brian Adams has generously offered his support and knowledge to our project and we hope this will make for some fascinating reading.

This is where you come in…

Brian will be taking questions from members of The Shotokan Way and will be formulating essays based around the answers. One example of the types of questions he will be answering will be for example:

‘When you hit an opponent in the kidneys, what are the possible consequences’?

Brian Adams will then formulate a short article based on the answer to your question.

We feel that by understand the medical implications of the karate techniques, this will further educate us on the way our techniques can be used, but will also inspire a deeper respect for the threat our karate techniques pose, and will hopefully enhance our attitude towards training.

The original book was first published in 1985 and is still in print today, highlighting the popularity of the book so please do take advantage of the opportunity we have here.

Thank you guys, drop your questions below!

[SusanW]

Emma, I'm not sure if this is the type of question you have in mind, but it's something I'd like to hear an expert's opinion on.

We often here people claim that they fight 'full contact' and without any protection. I'm not quite sure what this means, but it sounds a little dangerous to me. I assume what they really mean is that they use full contact in chudan punches.

What are the potential risks with hitting someone hard in the stomach (or solar plexus)?

Assuming the participants are well conditioned how dangerous would you consider the following:

- Full contact punches and kicks exchanged between people of similar weight, size and conditioning
- Full contact punches and kicks exchanged between people of different weight, size and conditioning (e.g. 60Kg person vs 100kg person)

Is it any different for men and women? My observation is that pound for pound women are actually BETTER equipped to absorb impact to the abdomen if they're properly trained. I'm not sure why this would be.

I suppose I'm looking for an opinion on how far it's safe to go in training when it comes to contact levels in chudan techniques.

[jol]

Umm ... force necessary for punch (blunt force trauma) to neck (sternocleidomastoid) to cause signficant (?) injury to carotid artery vs. shuto (concentrated force) vs. nukite (penetrating trauma)??

Possbile outcomes ...

[EmmaRobins]

Brilliant suggestions. I will pass them onto Brian Adams in the next couple of days.

Thanks guys,

Keep the suggestions coming

Emma

[kensei]

just a question here but who is Brian Adams? is he an MD????

[fujicolt]

just a question here but who is Brian Adams? is he an MD????

and his he really willing to publish his medical opinion here - he would be a brave but welcomed man if he is!

I hope he will but fear the potential probs if he gets it wrong!

[EmmaRobins]

I have changed the title of this thread, because in hindesight the use of the word medical was too constraining, as we want this section to be far wider reaching than just 'Medical Implications of karate techniques'.

I do not know the title that goes with Brian Adams, but we are basing a section on the implications of karate techniques, a subject he has written on. This section will not offer medical advice, only scientific reasoning for the effects of karate techniques. There will be no medical advice offered.

Mr.Adams is recognised as an expert in Martial Arts injuries and so will be able to scientifically explain such reasoning for certain outcomes.

Also in this section we hope to include information on the biomechanics of technique and possibly even the psychology of combat, So any ideas to further this section would be greatly received.

All the best, and thank you,

Emma

P.S If you would like any further information on this section, please do contact us and ask.

[kensei]

I have changed the title of this thread, because in hindesight the use of the word medical was too constraining, as we want this section to be far wider reaching than just 'Medical Implications of karate techniques'.

I do not know the title that goes with Brian Adams, but we are basing a section on the implications of karate techniques, a subject he has written on. This section will not offer medical advice, only scientific reasoning for the effects of karate techniques. There will be no medical advice offered.

Mr.Adams is recognised as an expert in Martial Arts injuries and so will be able to scientifically explain such reasoning for certain outcomes.

Also in this section we hope to include information on the biomechanics of technique and possibly even the psychology of combat, So any ideas to further this section would be greatly received.

All the best, and thank you,

Emma

P.S If you would like any further information on this section, please do contact us and ask.

Consider this me contacting and asking about his back ground a bit more. i would be seen as a expert in Martial arts injuries as well, my back ground is a BA in sports med with prev. care of injuries, a degree in Biomechanics and kinesiology and also a two year course in advanced treatment of injuries. I am very interested in who he is and why he is an expert.
I would love to see what he has to offer, but before I go to a surgeon I make sure he knows how to cut a straight line!
Is he a karate instructor that took and ACE training program or a Chiro or a MD???? I would love to participate, but before I wade into those waters I want to see if they are worth it and if he is actually qualified to do this. I would love to know that this is legit and it is only me asking a question.

James

[SusanW]

Kensei, you can buy his book on Amazon.

The book is well known in karate circles (well I'd certainly heard of it). People that know and liked his book can come to The Shotokan Way to hear more of his ideas. Shaun and Emma would be daft not to jump at his offer! Have you ever heard the expression "Never look a gift horse in the mouth" ?

If you have relevant background why not offer to write an article for the new Scientific Study Section? I'd be interested to read it. Don't worry - no one's going to start interregating you about your qualifications - we're more civilised than that. We'll just appreciate that you've been kind enough to take the time to share your thoughts Seriously, why not give it a go - the more viewpoints the better (In my opinion)

Emma, does this section cover stuff about what causes injury in training (i.e. training injuries - techniques or training practices that are bad for you) or is it strictly about the damage your techniques do to your opponents (potentially) ?

[kensei]

Kensei, you can buy his book on Amazon.

I had purchased this book years ago and got rid of it since, or I would have looked in it to find out his credentials. I was asking a simple question Susan.

The book is well known in karate circles (well I'd certainly heard of it). People that know and liked his book can come to The Shotokan Way to hear more of his ideas. Shaun and Emma would be daft not to jump at his offer! Have you ever heard the expression "Never look a gift horse in the mouth" ?

I remember the book fairly well, and as for your expression I can counter with "look before you leap"!

If you have relevant background why not offer to write an article for the new Scientific Study Section? I'd be interested to read it. Don't worry - no one's going to start interregating you about your qualifications - we're more civilised than that. We'll just appreciate that you've been kind enough to take the time to share your thoughts Seriously, why not give it a go - the more viewpoints the better (In my opinion)

I have not been asked to do so and prior to this I would never have thought of offering my "other" ideas to a Karate site. But Shaun and I have chatted very briefly about the subject. I am still thinking about it.

James

[EmmaRobins]

Emma, does this section cover stuff about what causes injury in training (i.e. training injuries - techniques or training practices that are bad for you) or is it strictly about the damage your techniques do to your opponents (potentially) ?

Hi Susan,

This section is going to be very open in its boundaries, and this is the main reason we changed the title of the section, as we want to give it as much breathing room as possible.

The section hopefully will eventually open up to karate injuries, and not just the damage you can cause. However, like everything on this site, it's all a work in progress and will take time to develop and get bigger. We will eventually get there though ha ha

We approached Mr.Adams because having read his book, and been very interested in his ideas we felt he could bring something different to the site that is not already here. We are as Susan has said offering those who liked his work an opportunity to interact with him personally and ask the questions they wished were in the original book, thus expanding the site in an exciting direction.

I hope that clears a few of your questions,

All the best,

Em

[Shaun]

Emma, I'm not sure if this is the type of question you have in mind, but it's something I'd like to hear an expert's opinion on.

We often here people claim that they fight 'full contact' and without any protection. I'm not quite sure what this means, but it sounds a little dangerous to me. I assume what they really mean is that they use full contact in chudan punches.

What are the potential risks with hitting someone hard in the stomach (or solar plexus)?

Assuming the participants are well conditioned how dangerous would you consider the following:

- Full contact punches and kicks exchanged between people of similar weight, size and conditioning
- Full contact punches and kicks exchanged between people of different weight, size and conditioning (e.g. 60Kg person vs 100kg person)

Is it any different for men and women? My observation is that pound for pound women are actually BETTER equipped to absorb impact to the abdomen if they're properly trained. I'm not sure why this would be.

I suppose I'm looking for an opinion on how far it's safe to go in training when it comes to contact levels in chudan techniques.

Hi there Susan,

Just to let you know that I have received the material back from Brian Adams about the questions you asked!!!!

Keep others coming guys

All the best,

Shaun

[EmmaRobins]

Have you guys managed to have a look at the first article we have placed up from Brian Adams?

What were your thoughts?

Thanks,
Em

[Tom O'Brien]

In our system of Vee-Jitsu the book ‘Deadly Karate Blows – The Medical Implications’ by Brian Adams is an icon. We start using it at sankyu (3rd degree brown belt). The philosophy is that by the time you reach brown belt you should be proficient in striking and able to do debilitating harm to your opponent. Given that you should not be ignorant of the damage certain karate strikes, kicks and blows are capable of. Brian Adams' book explains and shows the impact of the strikes on the organs and the repercussions. At brown belt level you are required to be able to demonstrate & explain what organs, joints and muscles are affected and what the medical implications are. This way no advanced student can ever say "I didn't realize what could happen". You are responsible to know what you are capable of doing. His article on the cardio was typically great.
Thanks,
Tom

[Shaun]

In our system of Vee-Jitsu the book ‘Deadly Karate Blows – The Medical Implications’ by Brian Adams is an icon. We start using it at sankyu (3rd degree brown belt). The philosophy is that by the time you reach brown belt you should be proficient in striking and able to do debilitating harm to your opponent. Given that you should not be ignorant of the damage certain karate strikes, kicks and blows are capable of. Brian Adams' book explains and shows the impact of the strikes on the organs and the repercussions. At brown belt level you are required to be able to demonstrate & explain what organs, joints and muscles are affected and what the medical implications are. This way no advanced student can ever say "I didn't realize what could happen". You are responsible to know what you are capable of doing. His article on the cardio was typically great.
Thanks,
Tom

I didn't realise you knew the book so well, have you read any of the material from Brian Adams that he has submitted for TSW?

What were your thoughts?

Best Wishes,
Shaun